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Cub vs. Pup

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:44 am
by Blightwolf
Over the past few years there has been some minor disagreement amongst wolf lovers which one of these terms is the most appropriate to describe wolf offspring.

Both of these terms are zoologically accepted, but which one of them applies more to wolves - or canids in general?

My personal opinion is that "cub" is somewhat inappropriate and misguiding when referring to wolf offspring. I personally refer to wolf offspring as "pups" or "puppies" and I don't favor the usage of "cub", because I feel like it is more appropriate for felids, bears and hyenas, for example. I mean, we do not call dog offspring "cubs", either, do we? And dogs are the most well known canids to us humans. "Dog cub" would sound rather stupid, too, in my opinion. And dogs and wolves are technically speaking the same creature, after all, sharing an identical molecular level and genetic structure.

Some people agree that both of these terms can be accepted. Some people claim that "cub" is more appropriate than "pup", and some say that "pup" or "puppy" is a better term for wolves than "cub". What is your opinion?

Re: Cub vs. Pup

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:41 am
by Crocotto
I say pup for several reasons
1. It's more widespread term in the animal kingdom (baby sharks, raccoons, rats, armadillo, bat, coyote, dog, seals are a few)
2. All of the wolves close relatives are called pups when their young (such as dogs, coyotes, and Jackals )

When I hear someone call a wolf a cub I think about that one site that's convinced wolves are felines -___-

Re: Cub vs. Pup

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:45 am
by Blightwolf
Crocotto wrote:When I hear someone call a wolf a cub I think about that one site that's convinced wolves are felines -___-
You must be referring to that idiotic "feline wolf breeder" facility, Wolf Haven Spirit of the Past: http://www.freewebs.com/wolfhavenspiritofthepast/

Their site is definitely a VERY negative example of the term "cub" used wrongly when associated with wolves. x__x

Re: Cub vs. Pup

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 8:34 am
by Canidae
I think the correct term is "pup" as well. If I ever hear a person say the phrase "wolf cub," I'll usually try to correct them.

Re: Cub vs. Pup

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 8:38 am
by Snowstar
'Pup'. Definately 'pup'. I see no reason why the wolf should have a different name for its young than any of its relatives. In the book The Sight, the fact that the wolf young were called 'cubs' annoyed and confused me. 'Cub' implies feline, bear (ursine?), or hyena (???) relations, and as the wolf is known to be a canine by anyone who doesn't believe anything on that pathetic excuse for a website, 'pup' is far more appropriate.

Re: Cub vs. Pup

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 8:43 am
by Blightwolf
Canidae wrote:I think the correct term is "pup" as well. If I ever hear a person say the phrase "wolf cub," I'll usually try to correct them.
I, as well, try to correct people if they use the term "cub".
Snowstar wrote:In the book The Sight, the fact that the wolf young were called 'cubs' annoyed and confused me.
I have read The Sight and I agree with you, it was highly aggravating that the word "cub" was used - although the author altered between the terms "pup" and "cub"; sometimes the offspring were referred to as "cubs" and sometimes as "pups" or "puppies".

Popular media has definitely made some people think that wolf offspring can be called "cubs". Well, of course they can be called by that term, but it's just quite misleading.

Re: Cub vs. Pup

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 9:49 am
by Alpha Female
The term "cub" is indeed misleading. I prefer the term "pup" since (as Crocotto pointed out) it is more widespread within the animal kingdom. I don't mind if people use the term "cub" but I would probably correct them.
I think of "cubs" more feline then canid, since the term "cub" is used for many large felines (tiger cubs, lion cubs, leopard cubs, ect).

Re: Cub vs. Pup

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 9:53 am
by Blightwolf
Alpha Female wrote:The term "cub" is indeed misleading. I prefer the term "pup" since (as Crocotto pointed out) it is more widespread within the animal kingdom. I don't mind if people use the term "cub" but I would probably correct them.
I think of "cubs" more feline then canid, since the term "cub" is used for many large felines (tiger cubs, lion cubs, leopard cubs, ect).
Again, I concur. I don't mind people calling wolf offspring "cubs", either, I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but I'd too would most likely correct them.

I also commonly associate the term "cub" to felids. "Wolf cub" doesn't feel right in my mouth. "Lion cub" feels much more appropriate. Similarly, I cannot say "coyote cub", or "jackal cub", or "dingo cub", because they all sound bizarre.

"Cub" works the best for felids, and of course, bears and hyenas.

Re: Cub vs. Pup

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 2:31 pm
by pawnee
The term wolf cub is an older term I think...you read it and hear it a lot in older films and books. More recent literature reffers to the offpsirng of wolves as 'pups'. Dogs and canines have puppies. I have never called a wolf pup a 'cub'.

Re: Cub vs. Pup

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 9:01 pm
by wolfsarethebest
i think that pups is better for the term for newborn wolf. cub would be usally be used as a lion cub or bear cub

Re: Cub vs. Pup

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 9:37 pm
by Koa
Cub doesn't fit well for the overall/general 'presentation' of the wolf; the term "pup" suits our dogs and therefore should remain applied to wolves.

Re: Cub vs. Pup

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:11 am
by Blightwolf
Koa wrote:Cub doesn't fit well for the overall/general 'presentation' of the wolf; the term "pup" suits our dogs and therefore should remain applied to wolves.
Exactly. Yet, a lot of (younger) people tend to use "cub" probably due to how the term has been used in popular media, most notably in wolf fantasy literature.

I have even seen National Geographic use the word "cub" in one of their wolf articles. x__x

Re: Cub vs. Pup

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:25 am
by Canidae
Blightwolf wrote:I have even seen National Geographic use the word "cub" in one of their wolf articles. x__x
Ahh nooo not that. >.<

Another example of the word "cub" being used to describe a wolf pup: the entire "Cub Scout" organization.

Re: Cub vs. Pup

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:35 am
by Blightwolf
Canidae wrote:
Blightwolf wrote:I have even seen National Geographic use the word "cub" in one of their wolf articles. x__x
Ahh nooo not that. >.<
Yes, it is a sad and true fact. Allow me to demonstrate some evidence:
Maverick researcher Shaun Ellis raises abandoned wolf cubs and teaches them, by example, how to survive in the wild --

Source: http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/e ... olves-2926
Also, that article is related to Shaun Ellis. If I remember correctly, he also uses the word "cub" - I have read one of his books. But, then again, I disapprove of his methods and ways of spreading "information" about wolves, anyway.

Re: Cub vs. Pup

Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:53 am
by paperpaws
I say "pup", for the same reasons Crocotto has stated above.