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A wolf besides the dominant having pups; what happens?

Post by portia » Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:55 am

I searched for it but couldn't find this question, but if there's already a topic on this feel free to lock it just please give me the link :wink:

If another female in the pack besides the dominant has pups, what happens to both the pups and the mother?
And would the result vary between a good year with plentiful prey and a year of famine?

I was just forming an idea in my head for another story but I wanted to get my facts straight first to be realistic

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Re: A wolf besides the dominant having pups; what happens?

Post by Storm the wolf » Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:15 am

Hello there!
In the breeding season, the dominant female will out and attack the other females of the pack to prevent them for going into heat. If a female somehow goes mates and gets pregnant, the lead female will stress out the female to the point where she will abort her pups. It rarely happens for another female, besides the lead female to mate though.


Source: http://cas.bellarmine.edu/tietjen/PPT/E ... n_the_.htm
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And as for the food, i dont think so, it all depends on what den the lead female chooses.
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Re: A wolf besides the dominant having pups; what happens?

Post by Catarinab » Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:05 pm

If that happens, then the dominant female and all the pack will take care of the pups without problem, but for food, I think they will try to make their best to don't make the pups die, but some can die by famine though. If there is enough food for everyone, then better.

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Re: A wolf besides the dominant having pups; what happens?

Post by wolfoflegend » Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:03 pm

I read that sometimes the alpha pair dont mate. Instead they allow the Beta pair mate and produce pups. I am confused so how does the alpha pair treat them afterwards?
Are they mean to them and constantly bully them so they make sure they remain subordinant?
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Re: A wolf besides the dominant having pups; what happens?

Post by SolitaryHowl » Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:20 pm

wolfoflegend wrote:I read that sometimes the alpha pair dont mate. Instead they allow the Beta pair mate and produce pups. I am confused so how does the alpha pair treat them afterwards?
Are they mean to them and constantly bully them so they make sure they remain subordinant?
[Alpha isn't a proper term anymore. And Beta isn't either.]

The dominant pair always reproduce in a pack. They harrass other females in the pack so they don't go into heat, therefore others would not mate besides them.
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Re: A wolf besides the dominant having pups; what happens?

Post by Snowstar » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:48 am

animallovervasi wrote:Hello there!
In the breeding season, the dominant female will out and attack the other females of the pack to prevent them for going into heat. If a female somehow goes mates and gets pregnant, the lead female will stress out the female to the point where she will abort her pups. It rarely happens for another female, besides the lead female to mate though.


Source: http://cas.bellarmine.edu/tietjen/PPT/E ... n_the_.htm
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Abort? Do you mean that they'll (the pups of the subordinate) be born dead, or what?
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Re: A wolf besides the dominant having pups; what happens?

Post by Storm the wolf » Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:54 am

Snowstar wrote:
animallovervasi wrote:Hello there!
In the breeding season, the dominant female will out and attack the other females of the pack to prevent them for going into heat. If a female somehow goes mates and gets pregnant, the lead female will stress out the female to the point where she will abort her pups. It rarely happens for another female, besides the lead female to mate though.


Source: http://cas.bellarmine.edu/tietjen/PPT/E ... n_the_.htm
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Abort? Do you mean that they'll (the pups of the subordinate) be born dead, or what?
hmm... I'm not sure if they will be born dead, I think that 'aborting' them would most likely mean that the wolf will leave them to die when they are born, I'm not sure though, in the website, they said the wolf would 'abort' them, but it didn't say how. The wolf could do anything, leave them to die, kill them or do other things.
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Re: A wolf besides the dominant having pups; what happens?

Post by portia » Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:48 am

Thanks for the help, though there were some conflicting answers
But let's just say in a fluke a subordinate did get pregnant and had pups, would they likely be killed/left behind or would they be treated with equal respect?
It's just because I wanna make a more original plot-line for a story I'm planning
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Re: A wolf besides the dominant having pups; what happens?

Post by Catarinab » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:52 am

I think it will be cared with respect and feed like a pregnant wolf. For wolves survival is good have new pack members, they help hunting and taking care of other pups. When they born, they will be looked after like the other pups.

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Re: A wolf besides the dominant having pups; what happens?

Post by SolitaryHowl » Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:34 pm

I'm honestly not sure; it doesn't say anything about it in my wolf research books.

EDIT: Just found some information. Though it doesn't entirely answer the question.

There are only multiple breedings in a pack (besides of the dominant pair) as long as food is plentiful (and wolves try to avoid incest, so the siblings wouldn't mate with each other). If food is scarce then only the dominant pair will breed. However, if a multiple breeding still occurs while there is famine...the puppies from both litters would probably die...because the youngsters in the pack receive the least amount of food during a famine. [Not an exact quote; I paraphrased it. :D]
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Re: A wolf besides the dominant having pups; what happens?

Post by Myk » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:17 pm

SolitaryHowl wrote:
wolfoflegend wrote:I read that sometimes the alpha pair dont mate. Instead they allow the Beta pair mate and produce pups. I am confused so how does the alpha pair treat them afterwards?
Are they mean to them and constantly bully them so they make sure they remain subordinant?
[Alpha isn't a proper term anymore. And Beta isn't either.]

The dominant pair always reproduce in a pack. They harrass other females in the pack so they don't go into heat, therefore others would not mate besides them.

if ALpha and Beta are not then What are the proper terms?
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Re: A wolf besides the dominant having pups; what happens?

Post by Canidae » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:49 pm

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SolitaryHowl wrote:
wolfoflegend wrote:I read that sometimes the alpha pair dont mate. Instead they allow the Beta pair mate and produce pups. I am confused so how does the alpha pair treat them afterwards?
Are they mean to them and constantly bully them so they make sure they remain subordinant?
[Alpha isn't a proper term anymore. And Beta isn't either.]

The dominant pair always reproduce in a pack. They harrass other females in the pack so they don't go into heat, therefore others would not mate besides them.

if ALpha and Beta are not then What are the proper terms?
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Re: A wolf besides the dominant having pups; what happens?

Post by portia » Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:46 pm

Ok, thanks Solitary and the others who helped answer the question, it was really helpful
So question answered or something and feel free to lock the thread now if it helps keep the forum 'tidy' and such
Thanks again :D
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Re: A wolf besides the dominant having pups; what happens?

Post by Masika » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:13 am

Hello portia,
portia wrote:Ok, thanks Solitary and the others who helped answer the question, it was really helpful
So question answered or something and feel free to lock the thread now if it helps keep the forum 'tidy' and such
Thanks again :D
Will do; glad your question could be answered, and thanks to everyone who helped answer!

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