Wolves authorized to be shot in France

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Re: Wolves authorized to be shot in France

Post by alethe » Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:16 pm

The wolves don't own anything, so they would be "protecting" nothing. They were hurting the farmer's income.


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Re: Wolves authorized to be shot in France

Post by firedog6 » Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:21 pm

I Just don't understand why Wolves would be shot for killing a human if the human came to close to the wolf's land (it's territory) but we're allowed to shoot them for coming in our land.
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Re: Wolves authorized to be shot in France

Post by Chumpkins_ » Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:22 pm

Because wolves don't usually kill for that reason.
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Re: Wolves authorized to be shot in France

Post by firedog6 » Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:23 pm

Yes but you should understand my concept.
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Re: Wolves authorized to be shot in France

Post by alethe » Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:24 pm

Would you rather your family starve because your main food supply (the farmers) dissappeared or hunt a few wolves to prevent that?

If you are really "anti-hunt" you wouldn't endorse the hunting of humans.


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Re: Wolves authorized to be shot in France

Post by Chumpkins_ » Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:26 pm

Well lets just say your house is in a gophers territory. Shouldn't it have the right to defend its territory and attack you and your family members then?
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Re: Wolves authorized to be shot in France

Post by firedog6 » Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:33 pm

Yes, what what I'm saying is

If a wolf came to my house I have a right to kill it.
If a human came to a wolf's house the wolf would die just for defending itself.

And I am anti-hunt. I don't think humans should be killed, I just don't get the fact that humans have a right to barge in on wolf homes and kill (possibly alpha) wolves for nothing, even in season. It's just ridiculous. And if you're going to spend thousands on one severely injured child, why can't you spend a few hundred on humane traps for wolves?
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Re: Wolves authorized to be shot in France

Post by alethe » Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:37 pm

So you're saying humans who hunt wolves in their "land" should be killed. I'm confused on where you stand. You're saying that you don't support killing, but wolves should kill hunters?

Besides, these are FARMERS not HUNTERS. They are protecting their PROPERTY. The wolves were on their land, not the other way around. And alpha is an outdated and inaccurate term. The real term is "breeding pair."

An injured child gets more attention because they're a member of your own species. I'd save a human before I'd save a wolf.
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Re: Wolves authorized to be shot in France

Post by Chumpkins_ » Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:37 pm

firedog6 wrote: And I am anti-hunt. I don't think humans should be killed, I was saying that if a human can come in a wolf's home and shoot a wolf, possibly the alpha (packs get harmed but the loss of alphas) then why cant a wolf come in humans home for something rather then a human life
Why would they?
Humans are the dominant animal of the planet. We do as we please, it doesn't have to be fair.
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Re: Wolves authorized to be shot in France

Post by Nordue » Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:39 pm

  • Koa's reminder to stay on topic seems to have went unheeded. This is a reminder to heed it from this point onwards. A wolf was authorized to be shot based on reports of livestock killings. This isn't the place to discuss debate personal views on wolves vs human rights in a general fashion.

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Re: Wolves authorized to be shot in France

Post by TheImmortalWolf » Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:40 pm

tonbei can we move this to the wolf chat?
I agree with firedog if a human can go in a wolfs territory wolfs can go in human
river6 wrote:The wolves don't own anything, so they would be "protecting" nothing. They were hurting the farmer's income.
then the farmers don't own anything either
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Re: Wolves authorized to be shot in France

Post by Nordue » Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:53 pm

TheImmortalWolf wrote:tonbei can we move this to the wolf chat?
  • My qualm with that TheImmortalWolf is that the Wolf Chat is for discussing wolves, not wolves vs humans.

    And I am hesitant to give the community a place to debate their opinions on human and animal rights, since that is not the aim of WolfQuest. WQ aims to educate about wolves through factual information, while providing players an opportunity to explore a wild wolf's life through the game. WQ was not intended to be a place to debate with opinions on a subjective and sensitive subject such as what this topic has evolved into.

    If any of you wish to continue this discussion, I would strongly recommend creating an off-site chat area to debate freely without the constraints of this forum, or to check out Carnivora, an excellent forum specializing in the debate and discussion of all animals: http://carnivoraforum.com/site/.

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Re: Wolves authorized to be shot in France

Post by firedog6 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:33 pm

SilverFang2014 wrote:
firedog6 wrote: And I am anti-hunt. I don't think humans should be killed, I was saying that if a human can come in a wolf's home and shoot a wolf, possibly the alpha (packs get harmed but the loss of alphas) then why cant a wolf come in humans home for something rather then a human life
Why would they?
Humans are the dominant animal of the planet. We do as we please, it doesn't have to be fair.

That's not dominance... that's immaturity. Back on topic.
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Re: Wolves authorized to be shot in France

Post by Nordue » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:56 pm

firedog6 wrote:
SilverFang2014 wrote:
firedog6 wrote: And I am anti-hunt. I don't think humans should be killed, I was saying that if a human can come in a wolf's home and shoot a wolf, possibly the alpha (packs get harmed but the loss of alphas) then why cant a wolf come in humans home for something rather then a human life
Why would they?
Humans are the dominant animal of the planet. We do as we please, it doesn't have to be fair.

That's not dominance... that's immaturity. Back on topic.
  • And that comment was off-topic anyway firedog6. Leave the commanding to the moderators please.

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Re: Wolves authorized to be shot in France

Post by ItsLiminal » Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:21 pm

Well, it seems the wolves were becoming nuisances.

I'm a bit disappointed only because the number of wild wolves are so low in France, however, I can roughly compare them to protected BOP in GA. Though it's illegal to kill them, if a hawk is carrying off your chickens or an owl is ruining your buildings or chimneys, you are allowed to use scare pistols to frighten them away, or you are allowed to rid of their habitats and habitat requirements, usually by fencing off certain areas.

Basically, if an animal is becoming a nuisance, you should have ways to protect your property and livestock, especially if that livestock is your primary source of income.

Discussions about population control and hunting are always so intriguing to me, I always seem to learn something new every time I participate.

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